(Yeah, wasn’t kidding when I said I would talk about the robo-Kaito incident. In all honesty, if thought about enough, it could be more traumatising that Nightmare. (And I’ll explain why I say that as well.))

(Okay, so, to start this off… the fact it wasn’t even Kid related. (Yeah, yeah, ‘Kid’ shows up literally right at the beginning of the chapter, but that’s not what I mean. I mean the premise for why the whole chapter is taking place to begin with.) The Ticking Heart, the Underwater Pirate Ship, Ghost Game. That’s it. The ones that didn’t start out with the main problem at a heist, someone suspecting him, or someone using the thief’s name with Kaito finding out.

But the Ticking Heart is the only one from those that, while it did start without Kid, used Kaito having a secret job to drive the story afterward. However… even then, I’d argue that it isn’t about the job itself so much as how Kaito viewed the situation.)

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(Actual first off: he got friggin’ kidnapped. This is why I say it didn’t really have anything to do with Kid. Jeeze, he was walking to school (Not from school, only a day goes by and Aoko later says he hadn’t been at school the previous day, so…). No thief, no one out to get him, Kaito, as himself, just up and got taken away by some random and probably insane man. (And side notes, in the manga he doesn’t live alone. Chikage is still at the house and I do have to give a thought to how the robot acted at home… anyway.)

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Also have to wonder if he was given food or anything, but for a day, I won’t worry too much over that. What should be noted is the fact that he didn’t even know why he’d been kidnapped up until that point, when the robot came in. Literally left there, tied up, for a day without any idea what was going on other than that the man had taken him and he was hooked up to some kind of machine. And for all the current day for the robot talking to him, no one would have seen him at all, since the robot maker had been killed the night before.

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And the first thing he hears after something else comes in is that the robot that looks like him and has his memories killed the guy. Without batting an eye. This is the main thing I’m interested in, and something Kai doesn’t like thinking about when it comes to the robot. Even if you argue that a robot doesn’t have a soul and cannot feel, and doesn’t know right from wrong or full consequences… this one isn’t quite like most robots that have that happen. He has memories. A mind that should know about death and morals, or at the very least, the reason Kid exists.

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Granted, at this point, it didn’t feel like it knew everything and was confused…

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…But Kaito’s emotions and thoughts clearly came out before, though Kaito didn’t know that. It honestly believed, or wanted to believe it was human, but clearly missed the mark on morality and self restraint. Hmm…

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After hearing about the other casually killing someone, the next thing he’s met with is this. The robot came in questioning why he has to be Kaito, but wanted more answers, and did this. …And it wasn’t until he had the rest of Kaito’s memories, that…

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It decided it wanted to take Kaito’s place. Also, I’ve used that quote out of context before. The ‘a copy is just a copy’ one. …Well, mostly out of context. Yes, it was said here, but I used it with regards to Kid and Toichi, the previous Kid… And trust me, I’m looking into this, but it is something I believe Kaito has thought before. And the robot, immediately after getting more of Kaito’s mind, says no. He’ll surpass Kaito. That he’s not just a copy. And he’s proving it by becoming Kaito… Please say I’m not alone in the thinking it’s eerily similar to how Kaito is taking his dad’s place as Kid. Questioning it, looking for answers… But he got stuck on not thinking he was as good as his father. The robot has no restricting thoughts like inadequacy, just knows what it wants and how it thinks, and it knows it wants to be better than Kaito. Also, personality change there. After getting Kaito’s mind, it’s… not quite as innocent. Yeah it had killed someone, but it was quiet, thinking, questioning, confused… then to having a goal and jeeze he got confident quickly. He didn’t start acting with purposefully ill intentions until then. Would he have if he hadn’t? Would he have started acting out if he’d been out longer than a day? Who knows. What we do see is a definite change now, though.

…So can I hazard this theory that the robot showed Kaito’s darker side that he normally doesn’t show? Because it really seems like that to me, and I think Kaito himself was aware of that, to a degree. Kaito just has a ton of self control in that area. Not that it wouldn’t ever come out… But he has a lot of good to balance it out. He’s more caring, and has sentimentality that he pays attention to. When people talk about dreams, or promises, or he learns something that makes him feel for them in any way (usually involving family, this), he helps. The robot seemed to have missed that part. It focused on the ‘Kid’ part more, really, which probably skewed its way of thinking. Mentioning that he became Kid, immediately planning another heist, and making special mention that he would not only be Kaito, but Kid. The robot liked being Kid. It had a will to live, and no one to command it anymore, and honestly, it hadn’t taken command all that well in the first place…

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…Like, at all… I… don’t think it liked that restriction… Just like normal Kaito wouldn’t.

Just… robo Kaito is Kaito… without anything holding him back. The psycho Kaito people are so afraid to see, but want to see. We’ve seen him. The manga readers, anyway.

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Seriously, it’s this robot.

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Doing…

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…anything…

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…to get…

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…what he wants. Without a care for morality.

And if that idea wasn’t bad enough…

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What ultimately brought the robot down wasn’t really Kaito outsmarting it. …Not entirely…

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It more… Kaito had to consider his own weaknesses that the robot would have gotten. In this case…

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That overconfidence. I can shoot faster, and first, wherever you aim.

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And sticking to that cockiness ultimately is what killed him. Yes, some outsmarting, either that or a ton of luck for that to have worked without Kaito getting a card in his own head… because he did pull that trigger. If the robot had caught on, managed to stop from shooting himself… I’m fully confident it would have killed Kaito. Shooting himself was his last resort…

…And then after all of that

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After it had thought it had taken over Kaito’s life up until Kid showed up… had it not felt human until just then? When it was about to die? …“Once a human is dead, he can’t be repaired.” Continuously saying it was Kaito, calling Kaito himself the false one, the robot, fighting to take over someone else’s life… but it didn’t feel alive until it was broken beyond repair and it lost everything. And just to point out, that last little bit over the eye is the last part of it that looks like Kaito. Everything else was the endoskeleton. When it was itself more than someone else…

Am I looking too far into it? Probably. But I do think the robot screwed up Kaito’s mind more because it had his mind than most of the other experiences he’s had. Yes, Nightmare probably hurt him as well, hitting so close to home with Kenta’s and Jack’s relationship and having someone’s life literally slip though his fingers… But I think he’d be more scared of what he could become over another life he failed to save. That death was closer to one he could have successfully stopped, but… the robot is a unique, disturbing, and terrifying experience. Even if you don’t go into mental implications: He was kidnapped, had something that shared his face outright murder someone, hear the thing saying it would become him, then almost killed him in an explosion, and nearly killed him again when he went to stop it at the heist.

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And probably shouldn’t forget that, even with its face being torn off, it’s still saying Kaito is the fake one. I’m sure that’s a lovely image for Kaito to have…

…In short, overthink it, or just look at what was given, it’s still a very potentially traumatising event for Kaito, and it deserves to be seen, dammit animators. >:V (All chapters deserve it, and heck, they even did a version of Ghost Game, which I doubt anyone expected. Give us this robot!) )

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“Only three names so far? I would have thought more Kaitous would be willing to participate… I mean, all I’m asking is for you guys to pick a colour. Not that hard, right? Sure, I might not be saying why… but isn’t a bit of mystery always fun? I have to wonder if I should bug some of you personally…”

Hi! I was reading your post earlier about Kaito’s motive being revenge, and while I agree, I’m almost certain he said at some point his motive was a little different nowadays and more widespread. I can’t for the life of me remember since I re-watched a lot yesterday, but does anything come to mind? It’s been bugging me all day! ;;

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(Hmm… Well, originally, all he knew was that his father had been murdered and it had been made to look like an accident. Nothing else, really. Which was why the original motive was revenge on those who killed him, so he continued being Kid to draw them out. You say ‘watched’, and the anime makes it sound slightly different in all honesty, which I’ve said bugged me a bit before. Both versions didn’t mention revenge specifically, just finding out who killed him. Though… the specials did still make him sound angry, at least….

As far as the motive now… yeah, after he found out the reason Toichi was killed – interfering with a group of people looking for a specific gem – he shifted the focus more to stopping their goal specifically. Finding Pandora before they do and destroying it, hence why he largely only goes after large jewels. If he steals other things, it’s normally because he was either challenged or a specific reason comes up. If anything, it went from widespread to focused. In the anime, and in manga, though not focused on too much, would be when he helped out his mom sort problems out from her past. Stopping forgeries and  such isn’t his overall motive, but it gave a side reason for why he wanted to interfere with those two from the Ryoma heist.

Or, ya know. If you want Kid’s completely original purpose, it was mostly to stand out so much as to put Phantom Lady out of everyone’s minds. From there, Toichi must’ve come across Snake and co at some point and gotten on their bad side. As I’ve said before, Toichi and Kaito’s motivations for becoming Kid were vastly different, so… *shrugs* Kaito’s is still revenge focused, though. Just does side jobs.

I hope that answers your question, going based on what I know and remember. The rest is just a bit of rambling. And ranting.

…It’s so easy to find faults with how A-1 is handling this…. they pushed all the major episodes out quickly to explain everything as soon as possible for those who needed to know. Full motive at episode two. Two. Two. And then all sorts of character introductions. None of Kaito having time to get used to being Kid even with all sorts of chaos going on around him, settling into his job. And it has him immediately going to stealing the gems, and needing to have reasons for Kaito to steal items that originally had nothing to do with them. At the start of being Kid, Kaito didn’t know why his father was killed, just that it had to do with Kid. Hence why he stole all sorts of things, from gold boxes, to paintings, to statues… And why the police didn’t immediately write him off when someone said they were Kid and would steal a baseball. He stole everything. Wasn’t until the whole Pandora explanation that he went to jewel focused thief most people recognise from Detective Conan.

…Not to mention handling the episodes like this throws a lot of things in the story off, and leaves some characters hanging for quite some time after their introduction so that they can go back and use the material they wanted to use from the earlier chapters. *looks sadly at tantei-san*

And for those who haven’t read the manga… a little perspective.

Aoko had her date with Kaito – meaning her dad suspected him of being Kid – in the fourth chapter of the manga.

Akako appeared in the sixth, and that was only the time she tried to feed him chocolate to make him a slave.

She appeared again in ten, which was when she’d decided to try killing him instead. As some have said, this makes more sense for the cool-down time from when she obviously liked Kid after the first meeting, and feelings of jealousy that he doesn’t even look at her to build up.

Hakuba appeared in chapter fifteen. (and for even more perspective, this is in volume three. Of a currently four volume series.) Then again the next chapter.

And then the next chapter, seventeen, he’s convinced Kaito, whom he’d barely interacted with at this point, is Kid. Who knows how long it’ll be before Hakuba shows up for this, but it’s obviously going to involve a longer passage of time than the detective originally needed. Which undermines Hakuba’s ability quite a bit, imo.

Everything regarding Pandora doesn’t come into play until after all of this in chapter nineteen. During all that time, Kaito was literally not making any apparent headway in finding his father’s killers, and not for lack of heists. Sure, plenty of chapters weren’t heists, but more because he had no leads. And manga Jii isn’t nearly so helpful in the manga as he is the anime. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure he assists Kaito at times, but it’s never a focus. Much more like ‘the man who was dad’s friend who’s willing to help’ than ‘Batman Kaitou Kid’s Alfred’.

Can’t really get mad at the others, Black Star and Phantom Lady, since Black Star was a flashback anyway, and PL didn’t have to be at an exact place per se. Did make people (myself included) a little irritated they brought Conan in for Ryoma after the Phantom Lady. It’s chronological to the heists, yes, but they should have shown Kid meeting Conan for the actual Black Star heist from the Detective Conan series. Else people don’t necessarily know this weird kid and the detective in the helicopter from earlier are the same person….)

/End rant