Tag: magic kaito

(I

always

get a huge urge

to RP Kaito Lupin whenever I read that oneshot.

I can’t, because I already do a bad job keeping up with the two muses I have, and he’d be even stranger to try and get into the RP fandom as his own person in some ways… Since he’d more likely just be taken for an AU Kaito, even if Lupin came first… He essentially is Kaito, just… think about it.

He’d be a slightly more normal character, granted. He’s not a professional and international thief, nor was his father, despite his name being a double hit for ‘thief’. He causes problems at school and steals test scores, but not overly a criminal like his more well-known successor. Still a magician, still far too skilled and bright for his age, but… no Kid.

Lupin is a Kaito that never became Kid. Technically, we never even hear anything about his parents, so they could still be alive. And you actually see Aoko’s mom.

…I half want this, or that we at least get a possible special for it at some point, like they did with some of Gosho’s other short stories… Unlikely to happen, as Magic Kaito has overshadowed it’s precursor, but I can dream. An MK anime was a dream up until a few years ago, so… I can at least hope for a special. (Pft. Since the first MK special was ‘The Secret Birth of Kaitou Kid’, it could be considered, the real secret birth of Kaitou Kid.)

How many of the new MK fans from the anime side are gonna know about the first Kaito, hmm….)

(…After the Movie 3 post about Kaito landing on the building he flew over, and seeing the DC Rewatch question about the circumstance, I feel the need to explain more of why I came up with that as the explanation. Though I’ll say right off that I can’t defend Kaito’s not getting injured by the bullet entirely, much like Conan really shouldn’t have been able to take the force of one up close at all later. Kid at least got affected by that force, but unless it just managed to hit the rim of his monocle to break it, but put the bullet off enough not to actually hit him… yeah, he should have at least gotten a scratch to his cheek there from a glancing hit. Maybe he covered it up, though, we don’t know. Kaito’s luck and Conan defying physics aren’t easy to even try and explain.

How and where he fell, however, is a different story.

First off: Why I believe he fell in the building (which looks to be an aquarium).

Main point: He did fly over it. And because of that, most likely had to land there.

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He’s heading for it in this picture.

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And it’s where Scorpion is aiming.

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Scorpion holds the gun directly in front.

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And is facing parallel to the bridge. Which goes directly to that building. If Kid had been anywhere but over it, either to Scorpion’s left, closer to the water, or beyond the building to Kid’s right as he approaches, Scorpion wouldn’t have been able to get a shot. And we know that’s the bridge Conan runs under while chasing Kid. Which leads to another thing.

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After passing under the bridge, Conan made a turn and down another way to get to the water. Right beside it. And while I don’t have another screenshot handy, you can see he’s near enough to a building to see the steps. Very likely the same building that’s the center of all of this.

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So, via bad paint skills, this is likely Conan’s path. Now, since the shot was taken parallel to the bridge, Kid’s position was not one that would have allowed him to make it to the water. It doesn’t look that far on here, but it’s enough to cause a problem, and remember, at the time, his glider was of absolutely no use. The frame had broken, and wouldn’t be able to glide at all. He’d not be able to go vertical enough to reach the water from there in a freefall, he’d hit the pavement. Hence why it’s more likely he landed on the building he was shot above. It’s closer, being high up. And he may have gotten a bit of vertical distance, but not enough to carry him to the water.

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So I personally believe he just landed close enough for things to be thrown over, out of sight of the shooter, and to where people would think he wasn’t where he was. Police and Conan thought he landed in the water, and maybe Scorpion as well. I doubt anyone actually checked the building, or, if they did, Kaito would have had time to get out while the police mobilised from ‘Kid heist prep mode’ to ‘search for the possibly drowned thief’ mode.

Again, can’t speak for the bullet, but I really, really don’t think he ever made it to that water at all.)

kkrazy256:

What I really want to know is what happened in the twenty four hours after this scene.

Because I went through this frame by frame and the glider was nearly completely torn off his body. He was spinning, tumbling and free-falling. This was not a safe landing.

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“Aha..ha… That was not fun… But if you don’t mind a theory, I can try to give an explanation that makes sense.”

First off, there are inconsistencies in the scene anyway. I’m nowhere near the water at that point, and yet dropped the box with the egg in it. Soo…”

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“How could it end up here closer to the water for tantei-kun to see? With only the lid smashed and the egg perfectly fine laying up nice and pretty? You’re right, the frame of my glider was broken from the force of the bullet throwing the balance off, so I couldn’t have made it that far. Also”

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“You see here that my monocle completely breaks in two. The frame and glass.”

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“But just the glass is broken here. Hmm…”

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“And this is what tantei-kun saw after the shot had been fired and my glider destroyed. And the figure moves perfectly steady here.”

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“To actually try and explain all of this, I’m just going to use one picture.”

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“This. That building there that I’m heading towards is right across from where Scorpion was aiming. You can see the bridge in this shot as well. …Can’t actually see the shooter, but I did later. It’s fairly obvious when there’s a lone figure standing in a completely empty area with no cars or people.

Anyway, that’s what I was gliding over when I was shot. And that’s where I landed. Not nearly as high of a fall, and very easy to survive with minimal damage. Luck? Perhaps, though getting shot at in the first place is never lucky… But from there, everything would have landed fairly close together. The dummy was sent off without anything, to make people think I had fallen somewhere else, and I had my dove take the egg and monocle down. I wish I’d had another method, since she had gotten injured slightly in the fall, but she could glide down safely enough.

So, not nearly as bad as you may think. Basically just got a sprained wrist, which wasn’t the most fun. Better than what could have happened. Most of the time was spent looking into how to get close to the egg again and make sure everyone else could be kept safe. Which led to research into Shiratori-keiji as well. Basically, everything was set up to make Scorpion believe I was dead/missing/injured and not be suspicious.”

(Actually, as I’m doing these screenshots…. yes we want the robot for reasons, but we need the underwater pirate one. Why? Because it kills so many things people assume about Kaito. And gives an idea to how he views enemies in general.)

((Just gon’ keep the images big this time, btw.))

(Yes)

(Kaito is still afraid of fish.)

(But he doesn’t want any danger to happen around him just to get rid of them.)

(And not afraid to go interact with them if they can’t bother him.)

(He’s not helpless in the slightest. Sure, a ton of guys with guns is hard to deal with, or a ton of people in general that he might not want to hurt. But even without his card gun, he can defend himself. Look at him, his hands are in his freakin’ pockets here. And note he didn’t kick Silver in the face. He has the skill to, if he can aim so well as to just disarm him, so he probably could be a bit more violent if he wanted. Not saying he’d be excellent at hand to hand, but he should know enough to be able to fight people off.)

(He doesn’t have a problem aiming a real gun at people to use as a threat. Would he kill? No, most likely not. But his finger is on the trigger, so he’s prepared to shoot. If he had to.)

(I’ll admit, I just love this line, or any translation of. True, he has no option but to trust Silver right now, but that he’s confident enough to say it to the person who just tried to kill him and threaten Aoko says a lot. And means he’s capable of trusting even enemies.)

(And he really does need the help. He could do literally nothing due to not having enough air here. He didn’t save them. Or, you could argue he did, for encouraging Silver and saying he trusted him to begin with. But he himself was actually helpless to save them and needed to rely on the other here. How often do we actually get to see Kid not be able to do something on his own. Not to anything at all?)

(But people still wont always go along with him, even after helping. He doesn’t win everyone he meets over completely.)

(And)

(Similar to Conan)

(He can’t always save everyone. He can’t always help. Granted, Conan’s Moonlight Sonata case hit him harder than Silver sending Kid to safety and going down, but it’s still here. Also not as traumatising to Kid as Nightmare is later, but it’s still a good example that he’s not perfect and he doesn’t always win at everything. He tried to get through to Silver and save him, but failed. That it happened later with Nightmare, with the added hit of knowing Kenta, it was probably bigger because something like this would have happened already. They were similar, and Nightmare was far worse.

And I just really have feelings for the older chapters that the animations seem to try and avoid, really…)

(Hmm… something that I think might get confusing after a while, especially with the Magic Kaito 1412 anime, is what ‘version’ Kaitos will be from. Because even if the manga, the specials, and the anime all follow the same general story, certain key elements still change between them.

The manga is the technical end all be all for the series, technically. The overall canon. However… people might not have read it. I’d hope Kaito rpers have, considering they never did animate all of the chapters, and there are areas that bring development in the few that haven’t been touched. That, and lets face it, the manga better showed Kaito’s jerky side to begin with. Both of the animated ones can be asses, but overall are painted to be much more likeable sooner. The manga was originally a gag manga who’s plot didn’t pick up until the third volume, so of course the whole tone was different to begin with. And Pandora and Snake weren’t the biggest of issues until after Hakuba showed up, even. Hence why the Adam’s Smile originally didn’t have the BS reason of containing a hidden gem for Kid to steal. Kid wasn’t stealing gems at that time. And Kaito’s revenge motive was better sent across in the manga.

The specials gave Kaito the most likeable feel, and focused more on Kid than Kaito, overall. Not in terms of story so much, more in terms of appearances. Was something I noticed taking screenshots, and the fact they wanted to focus on the bigger and important heists Kid had done. Shouldn’t be surprising, since the specials are called ‘Kid the Phantom Thief‘. And then there were the slight changes made there… and larger one. Slight being merging chapters for Akako together, and also doing that to Hakuba as well, taking out certain scenes, modifying others. This was the one that started the whole ‘Chikage wasn’t there when Kaito became Kid’ aspect. She was home in the manga. And then, of course, Spider being wedged into the plot. I’m incredibly biased when it comes to him, but he does add an interesting pivot point on anything regarding Toichi, Snake, Kaito, and Hakuba. Since he’s involved with Toichi’s death in some way, and Hakuba’s target isn’t Kid because of the assassin, and the thief is instead thought of as ‘bait’. Huge change in character dynamics with this guy…

And then, Magic Kaito 1412. It does follow the manga more closely, as it had set out to do, so mostly just off on smaller details. One: The single cassette tape where Toichi tried giving the message of being Kaitou Kid (and mostly wasn’t working after eight years) was replaced with the jukebox (where he never mentioned Kid at all in the first one that I recall…). Biggest change for that, to a Kaito, would be… the cassette couldn’t be listened to again. The jukebox could. And it seemed that Toichi was pushing Kaito more and advising to be a magician, though at the same time, the way everything was getting revealed almost made it look like he did want Kaito to take up the mantle. Hmm… Other changes include foreshadowing of Corbeau, some extra explanations about magic that may or may not come back into play, the Nakamori’s being neighbors, Kaito more consistently relying on Jii for help, the decision between continuing as things are or whether he should consider his future and actually go into the practice of being a magician… and finally the Kaito Kid squad. *snrk* Just because of that, the interactions between the teens should be quite different. And the use of the bar.

I’m looking at this more as a Kaito RPer myself, since the devil’s in the details, but it’s something to keep in mind. Not everyone will have the same idea of Magic Kaito in their heads that might have existed five years ago anymore. And it might get confusing at times.

…And let’s not bring the whole ‘does he know about Conan or not’ from Detective Conan. That’s another aspect people will have to define themselves.)