(Talking of over-thinking, though… How many of you noticed I used the prototype Kaito in this post? Or knew of him? I’m sure many who’ve looked into MK have, but I included him there for a reason. Obviously, his story was from a one shot, but since he, Aoko, and Ginzo exist in it, what if… if could be an alternate timeline? Not just one without Kid – if you wanted him to not exist at all, though it is possible, though Kaito himself isn’t the thief – but… well, Toichi is alive? I mean… Aoko’s mom exists in the story, for one. And she clearly doesn’t in Magic Kaito. Kaito isn’t a jewel thief, just a general troublemaker magician, acting like a jerk even more than in MK, but still has a gentle heart, for the most part. Just for that, I wonder if Toichi exists for that Kaito, whether he’s Kid or not. Either that or he lives alone entirely. I know Lupin’s story isn’t technically supposed to be connected to MK directly, but it’s interesting to think about. Alternate timeline or something a bit further than just the parallel universes the other Kaito’s fall into for RP.)

7, 14, 20

7. Formatting or no and why?

(I don’t format usually. Mostly because I take long enough to reply without having to mess with how it looks. But I don’t mind other people formatting. It does look nice, but laziness takes over for me, so…)

14. How do you keep your blog organized?

(~~Wait, we’re supposed to keep it organised?~~

Well, I mostly just keep it to who I’m replying to for tags right now, with the occasional status thrown in like for KittyKai and ChibiKai. So mostly just random tags… Though I really should title everything to help others keep track of threads we have. I have an insane memory at times, so I tend to know what has and hasn’t been done myself. But yeah, not the most organised, just rper tags, ooc tags, ones for talking about the anime and for icons and such.)

20. Something your character doesn’t know but you do and how this effects how you roleplay them.

(Ooo… Now this is a fun one… I mean, aside from about other characters in general, knowing things from anime and people’s about pages that Kai won’t necessarily learn until he’s told in threads and such… Outside of the people he meets, I don’t know too much he doesn’t, and he usually knows more than me, actually… I have general knowledge of a lot of things, but nothing specific that affects how I play Kai in RP. The only thing that might count would be knowing his mentality, but it’s not so much he couldn’t know so much as he tries not to think about it. I think too much about things, and if he looked at himself as much as I’ve looked at him… He’d probably be a lot more depressed or unstable. Or both. Basically, I know him more than he want to know himself, but I think that’s true of a lot of characters and people in general. It’s not exactly the same, but it does still affect my RPing in many ways. Basically, I think more psychologically, even if I haven’t been taught everything regarding it, about… well, a lot. Not just characters. It carries over into my Kai, because he does think and consider how to get the reactions he wants or tests for, but… Well, basically it still comes back to characters, more than random general knowledge on something. I tend to know more about them than him, even if it’s my muse himself, weaknesses, mentality, and such. Past that… I’m really not sure. Nothing that noticeably affects how I play him, that I’m aware of…)

(Okay, if all goes well and I can get a more set schedule… my current goals, in order of how I hope to be getting to them.

1) Catch up on making icons from MK 1412. I’m half an episode behind, and I always feel like I could have a better expression from the newer ones I could be using for something, even if the old ones might be fine. I just feel more comfortable knowing I have the ones that are recent to work with.

2) Keep working on the reply storm. Been distracted, but I am still going through them. Ones started more recently might be sporadically responded to, because I do want to actively rp as well… Might not be the best idea, but I’m the one doing it, so I’ll be fine.

3) Hi~mi~tsu~ )

(Was it just me, or was episode 16 really bad? I mean, I looked at the tag for MK already, I know it’s not just me, but…Then we have some saying it was good. And I don’t normally mind most things, so some that are bad I don’t notice…

But no, this one… no. Some parts were nice. I’m glad the jukebox came back after it’s been gone a while, and I liked seeing Kaito’s reactions to being challenged… And I liked the explosion part just as much as I did in the DC episode.

…But past that, no. Pacing was horrible, everything though the planning felt rushed, the heist itself was a confusing montage of what happened with no explanation until it feels like they give half the episode to Conan to explain what Kaito did for the heist. And… as I have seen the tags, and I noticed myself, this was supposed to be Jirokichi’s appearance. But we’ve had the Ryoma heist already, so it doesn’t make sense, unless this is supposed to be some weird way of doing a flashback and not telling us. I love this heist in the DC anime, and its clips, even if we don’t have it from Kaito’s perspective, and I’d probably never choose MK1412 to show the heist. Except the first reaction part.

Just… wow. I actually find it hard to dislike things, so when I say something’s bad… Ya done messed up. Especially if it involves Kid.)

(I vote my Kai be referred to as comfort Kai. Because it’s what he likes giving best, especially hugs and cheering people up as best he can. Usually. When he’s not the one causing the trouble. Also, semi along that note… okay, maybe not really, but…)

(I love this.

That is all.)

(Okay, I’ve been trying to catch back up on 1412 screenshots for my own sanity, so this is late, but…)

(May I just say good job A-1 on this, because this is the face Kaito made after Phillip told them about the promise he made to his dad and how his mother acted towards him. Considering Kaito’s relationship with his own father, this face seems very appropriate.)

(I keep seeing that ‘Conan’ scene from Yakitate Japan in the DC tag, and ti just keeps reminding me how much I tend to love the strange trickster and jester type characters. Because while I haven’t watched the show, I did read the manga a few years back, and Pierrot was definitely my favourite in it. Crazy and fun, though I did also remember everything that happened after that scene too… I should actually go through what I’ve seen and read one day to see which characters were my favourites in everything. I mean, I like Spider as well, even if he’s not the same type as Kai, and that’s been elsewhere too, because I know I liked Akabane in Get Backers the best… Hmm…)

2 and 8?

2. Are there any plot tropes you are sick of/refuse to RP? If so, what are they and why?

(Well, none come to mind off hand, really, though I find myself agreeing with Gab on the accidental pregnancy thing. Most ones that are just there to cause silly drama without purpose do tend to annoy. Though, even if I’ve been here for… eight months (I think?), I still feel new enough that I’ll try practically any trope at least once. I don’t really know which ones bug me so much I wouldn’t even try until they pop up.)

8. Out of the really popular pairings in your fandom, what’s your nOTP?

(*starts the mini war* AiCon or ShinShi. Even if we ignore the fact I’m a ShinRan shipper for canon, I really can’t see them together, even if I try. Friends, yeah, but romantically paired? At most, I could possibly see Haibara confessing having feelings for him, but he would have been so oblivious to it that it would honestly surprise him, and then maybe something awkward about not returning those feelings. They interact well, but having them as a couple never looks well in my mind. Probably because I think Shiho/Haibara would need someone who actually shows affection and that they love her if she’s getting together with anyone, not the largely oblivious detective whose head gets stuck in his excitement for mysteries. He can be sweet at times, but not in a way that meshes well for a relationship with her. But that’s just my opinion on it. Might be that people get so butt hurt about ShinRan vs AiCon that I’ve grown a good dislike of it, but eh.)

Hi! I was reading your post earlier about Kaito’s motive being revenge, and while I agree, I’m almost certain he said at some point his motive was a little different nowadays and more widespread. I can’t for the life of me remember since I re-watched a lot yesterday, but does anything come to mind? It’s been bugging me all day! ;;

(Hmm… Well, originally, all he knew was that his father had been murdered and it had been made to look like an accident. Nothing else, really. Which was why the original motive was revenge on those who killed him, so he continued being Kid to draw them out. You say ‘watched’, and the anime makes it sound slightly different in all honesty, which I’ve said bugged me a bit before. Both versions didn’t mention revenge specifically, just finding out who killed him. Though… the specials did still make him sound angry, at least….

As far as the motive now… yeah, after he found out the reason Toichi was killed – interfering with a group of people looking for a specific gem – he shifted the focus more to stopping their goal specifically. Finding Pandora before they do and destroying it, hence why he largely only goes after large jewels. If he steals other things, it’s normally because he was either challenged or a specific reason comes up. If anything, it went from widespread to focused. In the anime, and in manga, though not focused on too much, would be when he helped out his mom sort problems out from her past. Stopping forgeries and such isn’t his overall motive, but it gave a side reason for why he wanted to interfere with those two from the Ryoma heist.

Or, ya know. If you want Kid’s completely original purpose, it was mostly to stand out so much as to put Phantom Lady out of everyone’s minds. From there, Toichi must’ve come across Snake and co at some point and gotten on their bad side. As I’ve said before, Toichi and Kaito’s motivations for becoming Kid were vastly different, so… *shrugs* Kaito’s is still revenge focused, though. Just does side jobs.

I hope that answers your question, going based on what I know and remember. The rest is just a bit of rambling. And ranting.

…It’s so easy to find faults with how A-1 is handling this…. they pushed all the major episodes out quickly to explain everything as soon as possible for those who needed to know. Full motive at episode two. Two. Two. And then all sorts of character introductions. None of Kaito having time to get used to being Kid even with all sorts of chaos going on around him, settling into his job. And it has him immediately going to stealing the gems, and needing to have reasons for Kaito to steal items that originally had nothing to do with them. At the start of being Kid, Kaito didn’t know why his father was killed, just that it had to do with Kid. Hence why he stole all sorts of things, from gold boxes, to paintings, to statues… And why the police didn’t immediately write him off when someone said they were Kid and would steal a baseball. He stole everything. Wasn’t until the whole Pandora explanation that he went to jewel focused thief most people recognise from Detective Conan.

…Not to mention handling the episodes like this throws a lot of things in the story off, and leaves some characters hanging for quite some time after their introduction so that they can go back and use the material they wanted to use from the earlier chapters. *looks sadly at tantei-san*

And for those who haven’t read the manga… a little perspective.

Aoko had her date with Kaito – meaning her dad suspected him of being Kid – in the fourth chapter of the manga.

Akako appeared in the sixth, and that was only the time she tried to feed him chocolate to make him a slave.

She appeared again in ten, which was when she’d decided to try killing him instead. As some have said, this makes more sense for the cool-down time from when she obviously liked Kid after the first meeting, and feelings of jealousy that he doesn’t even look at her to build up.

Hakuba appeared in chapter fifteen. (and for even more perspective, this is in volume three. Of a currently four volume series.) Then again the next chapter.

And then the next chapter, seventeen, he’s convinced Kaito, whom he’d barely interacted with at this point, is Kid. Who knows how long it’ll be before Hakuba shows up for this, but it’s obviously going to involve a longer passage of time than the detective originally needed. Which undermines Hakuba’s ability quite a bit, imo.

Everything regarding Pandora doesn’t come into play until after all of this in chapter nineteen. During all that time, Kaito was literally not making any apparent headway in finding his father’s killers, and not for lack of heists. Sure, plenty of chapters weren’t heists, but more because he had no leads. And manga Jii isn’t nearly so helpful in the manga as he is the anime. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure he assists Kaito at times, but it’s never a focus. Much more like ‘the man who was dad’s friend who’s willing to help’ than ‘Batman Kaitou Kid’s Alfred’.

Can’t really get mad at the others, Black Star and Phantom Lady, since Black Star was a flashback anyway, and PL didn’t have to be at an exact place per se. Did make people (myself included) a little irritated they brought Conan in for Ryoma after the Phantom Lady. It’s chronological to the heists, yes, but they should have shown Kid meeting Conan for the actual Black Star heist from the Detective Conan series. Else people don’t necessarily know this weird kid and the detective in the helicopter from earlier are the same person….)

/End rant

(…Kaito has a great and terrible power that really… Umm… Oh dear lord.)

(So… I’m actually going through and re-reading the manga this time rather than just skimming (and over-analyzing everything, but there will probably be more posts on those later) and… Kid be a scary figure to think about, actually. I’ve said and will always say that Kaito became Kid for revenge and it’s been shown before that he doesn’t take kindly to people using his name to blame him for crimes he didn’t do… But whether he completely destroys what you had and/or gets you arrested… or helps you out is completely dependent on how he feels about the person.

Now, about this power… that would have to be…

Well… having the skills and natural ability to do practically anything he wants. Resources, acting, general manipulation, magic… Gab mentioned in Skype once that my Spider is like an evil, hardcore Kid. Well… that might just be a bit more true than I considered. He got a lot of Kid’s… more… ‘evil’ traits that were more evident in the early manga chapters. I realise the beginning made practically all the main cast look like jerks…)

(And can never know if it’s just because of how it was translated, I’m aware, but…)

(I think people are aware that Kid is dangerous. I mean, if the department store thing was enough of a giveaway…)

(…Yes, I know he was acting in this one… I think… Honestly, given his experience with robots, he might not have been as much as he looked like he was later… But just even that he could immediately come up with this plan and act on it when he figured out what was causing him the trouble is a bit telling to how his mind works. Destroy a building, let a guy jump out a window from the fourth floor, let that mofo standing on top of a train have and up close and personal meeting with brick and cement. And those lesser guys can just get arrested, sure.

‘Cept you.

No, you get to explode.

Yes.

Now, Kaito’s a nice guy, for all that he’s an ass sometimes. Be kind or neutral, and he’ll act in kind. If he likes you, he’ll actively…

cheer you up

encourage you

or even take a hit to the name Kid itself, if he has reason to. Failing to steal aside, the ‘returning what he steals’ thing has been set aside too, in the Golden Eye. He has patterns, but surprisingly no real rules for what he will and will not do, for all that the fandom (myself included) would say otherwise. He quite literally does what he wants, and if the rules are in the way, screw ’em. (…Actually, no, my Kaito is still like this, just he’s more friendly in general and less of a jerk than canon Kaito. Seriously, get on his bad side, and he will take you down.He does try to find redeeming qualities most of the time, but seriously, don’t push him.)

…Aren’t we lucky he’s a good guy?

But he’s a very serious threat. He has means to do practically anything (within limits, of course, else Snake and Pandora wouldn’t be as much a problem), and he’s excellent at getting people to react the way he wants. Love him, hate him, trust him, get angry at him, be afraid of him, get overconfident, think you’ve won, believe you’re at the end of your rope, know when to tell the truth and when to lie, getting others to help him unknowingly… He’s done all of these, most of them on purpose, a few times on accident, but he also can think quickly enough to pull it around to his favour anyway.)

(…And I’ll be honest and say the 19th movie trailers never even came to mind while I was thinking this. Yeah, he’s insane in that, for whatever reason… And I still don’t think canon Kaito would go that far under normal circumstances… But just imagine how bad he would have been if he’d gone full criminal, instead of being the overall nice, if oftentimes annoying, magician we know and love.

…Does make me appreciate the fact that Nakamori-keibu and Hakuba can still hold their beliefs that Kid wouldn’t be a murderer, though. Because he be scary sometimes… even if they’re very right he wouldn’t go that far. Minor physical damage, possibly broken bones, that one incident with a taser and a certain chibi… But nothing so permanent as death. To people. And more than likely animals. Just not inorganic things, I suppose.)