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Or is the idea for a ‘non magic’ world that she just wouldn’t exist? Did any of the other silly things in MK happen?

Personally, I don’t think of things that only happened in Magic Kaito as canon to Detective Conan and the other way around, e.g. in Detective Conan, Shinichi never faced off against an unknown phantom thief at the clock tower and in Magic Kaito, Jirokichi doesn’t exist. I like it more to make a clear cut between the two, also because that’s more supported by the way Gosho handles things (though obviously he was kinda wishy-washy on many things, but still, I like this more than just putting everything from MK into DC).

That would certainly help more with timelines, and the fact no recognition comes up after Conan is more aware of who he’s facing the first time he meets Kid. ( Though of course outside of any universes, it’s because the clocktower chapter wasn’t written until after the DC chapter that introduced Kid into Conan’s world. ) It could also open up the possibility that what happened to Shinichi never occurred in the MK universe, since the MK chapter with the clocktower flashback never gave any indication of whether the events of Black Star would have gone the same or not.

( Though since events apparently lead to Kaito being Kid in the DC universe, it’s just as possible Shinichi still ended up with his fate in MK. There’s no mention of Conan in MK, even with the nods to DC heists like Black Star and the Ryoma’s treasures. )

Jirokichi does exist in the MK universe, though. Could be debated whether he challenges Kid, but Kaito’s aware of him as he was referenced in the chapters with Corbeau. Unless you were to argue it could be a different Suzuki altogether, but that’d be a stretch.

It’s still probably more up to personal preference than set in stone, though. Word of Gosho I just have a hard time trusting when he talks about things long after they’ve happened, and when he has a habit of making non-canon events, people, and traits canon after they’ve only happened in things like the movies. Or adopting the background characters from the anime and giving them a plot. The series has gone on too long and he’s very inconsistent about what’s actually supposed to be in Conan’s universe, and the anime doesn’t help with things.

Both the anime for DC and MK1412 really don’t help the argument of the worlds supposed to be separate on the whole. Since they had the clocktower without Akako in DC, and the MK Kaito going up against Conan and Jirokichi. But I also know that the manga is supposed to be the set in stone thing, just know beyond a shadow of a doubt that not everyone reads the series and will get tripped up on that.

serinoxtv replied to your post: Tbh I have always assumed that if DC and MK exist…

Gosho didn’t just say so in a Q&A, he included it in his additional comments in the 2011 MK volumes re-release. He wrote for the Akako chapter in Vol. 1: “Well, you’ll just have to accept these two works as parallel world.” Not much room for interpretation there I think, no matter how you like or dislike the fact.

It’s still largely retconning. Or maybe not quite that, but covering himself when he realized it might not have been the smartest idea to mix an actual magic world with the one that’s supposed to be logic. Fans have been around long before he decided this clarification needed to be brought up, and while he might want to stick to that idea now, it doesn’t change how people want to think about the two series. If he’d stuck with just the one initial cameo for Kid, that might be allowed to slide, but covering his tracks after the DC crossover had been going on during multiple encounters, it feels like ‘oh, people are starting to go back and read Kaito’s manga, which has actual magic that can’t be in Conan’s story because magic can’t exist for a detective, let me just get a disclaimer out of the way.’

Either way, Gosho did not give the best way to handle it, because some fans just wouldn’t know or care to see if the universes are connected. I do try and look things up (though I wasn’t aware he said it in comments in a re-issue, scans and the manga I have are the older version), but most people would just read one, and then look at the other because it’s about a character that appeared in the series they read and it’s by the same author. The fact that Kid does appear so much in DC makes it unsurprising the majority of people think they’re in the same universe.

He’s done brief cameos between series before before. Between Magic Kaito, Yaiba, 3rd Base Fourth, the short stories, small things that would just bring a smile because of the reference. No explanation. He wouldn’t have to be trying to use the excuse of ‘parallel universe’ at all if it weren’t a bigger problem than any of those others.

I RP and write them being in the same universe for character interaction because we know the most about how things work in their respective stories. I’d be fine with the idea of parallel universes if there was any real indication that it was the intent, and not just some excuse used to bandage liking Kaito too much that he wove him into Conan’s story more than just a small appearance. What would Kid be looking for? Still a stone with a story that would have to be fake about immortality just because his baddies believe it might work? What would Akako be like if she weren’t a witch? Or is the idea for a ‘non magic’ world that she just wouldn’t exist? Did any of the other silly things in MK happen?

It’s a fun idea, but I can’t accept the word of Gosho when it reeks of an excuse and isn’t actually utilized except to give Kaito an excuse to be in Conan’s world.

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