Manga Kid icons part 4. (No text bubbles, etc; Ch 20-33; 209 icons.) Like/reblogging to use is preferred, else crediting.

Part 1, 2, 3, Kaito 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

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…Huh.

…I don’t know whether to be disappointed or not. (At least, with the anime, the specials is *shrug* and the OVA I’m definitely disappointed in.)

So disappointing.

Decent (and again, specials being closer in how it looks, though not quite.)

And I’m torn here because it’s not accurate, but Kaito’s adorable here.

But really, look at this guy’s smug face. Do you know how much I want this face animated? This face is why I cheated in movie 14 to catch Kid before he closed his eyes, just for a similar expression.

(Which is still one of my favourite icons, but it really feels like we get gypped out of some nice expressions.)

Quick Notes About Writing General Starters

They can be long, short, or somewhere in between, one liners, dialogue only, whatever. The amount of people who might reply to the starter would depend on the group you’re with, but longer starters will usually mean fewer replies, because it can be intimidating to people who might be more used to shorter rps.
Keep in mind how much access you’re giving for people to reply to. If you make a starter that takes place in your character’s house, only people that could be inside that house can realistically respond. Same if they’re calling someone from a number on their phone, if it’s from their own logs, it doesn’t leave much for new interactions. What kind of area they’re in, the environment, and the reason they’re there all affect who they can encounter, and can be used to limit other people who want to reply. Some characters can be placed anywhere, others can’t or they wouldn’t have reason to be there based on the characterization. If you want to be selective about who replies to a starter, this can help, but if you want it open to as many characters as possible, it’s helpful to make the starter topic very broad, in public, and open to make interpretations.
(And in any call/text starter, even if could be taken for a random/wrong number, more likely people will avoid it if they aren’t rping a character that wouldn’t know the other. It depends on the mun and muse, as some are outgoing enough to respond anyway, but it’s rare in my experience.)
It’s better to give something for the other people to react to than to expect them to begin interaction with your character themselves. While a starter describing what your character is doing on their own and minding their own business can work, it’s more helpful for people to get creative when they’re given a starting point. There’s a difference between having your character taking forever to look over a coffee shop menu with intense focus, and another with the minor change of turning to the person next to them in line and asking if they’ve been there before/if they know what’s good. Or finally placing an order and then accidentally turning and bumping into the other person. In the more passive, description-type example (of where and what the character is doing), someone can respond with how their own muse is feeling about the situation if they’re used to it, or could make a comment. The second adds however they might have been feeling plus action, something for them to do, if they chose. It gives more possibilities and opportunities for people who might not be comfortable with passive interaction, where the muses might not even do anything with regards to the other for a reply or two.
Don’t get discouraged if an open starter doesn’t get responses. It could be any number of reasons, including other people being too busy, feeling too shy, or thinking it’s too late to reply (such as if they log in and see it a day or so later). Sometimes it’s a muse compatibility issue. The least likely cause, literally last thing on the list 95% of the time, is because people don’t like the writing or are trying to avoid you. Again, based on my experience, but the anxious balls of fluff muns are the most likely cause, wondering if they should and debating, and probably talking themselves into a corner of whether they should jump on it or not, and especially the new people that want to interact do a very good job of scaring themselves off the opportunity to poke at starters.
And, sometimes, people might just be the types to prefer the options handed to them on a platter from various memes to hopping on the wild open starter encounter. Everyone has their preference.

Fun fact:

In the manga, Kaito knowingly walked into a seafood restaurant, and is fine with eating lobster. ~~Don’t be surprised by the girl eating fish in a seafood place, Kaito, really…~~

The specials kept the sign.

But it looks like they gave Kaito steak or such instead. Possibly to separate Kaito from eating things from the water.

The anime entirely omitted the fact it’s a seafood restaurant, and I have noidea what they decided to have Kaito order. They also downgraded the sides and drink quality, which makes me think they opted to make it a more casual place to eat. …And they decided to put roses on the table, interesting, especially when they make Kaito’s and Aoko’s yellow. Leads to interpretations more than if they’d had all the roses red.

raifuujin:

Bit late, but happy birthday, Shinichi~

raifuujin:

So… chapter three.

I told myself I wouldn’t go over this chapter, but technically last time I did it was more looking into the overall situation than looking at the chapter, so… doing it anyway~

Ch 1, Ch 2

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Half the unanimated chapters have Kaito injured. And just having us miss out on nice images in general. :V (Okay, technicaly he only gets dirtied and run down in two of them, but comparing those to the whopping .5 that’s shown him like that…

(Akako’s debut had him bleeding like he should, what they failed to show was that it persisted after. They had him floating over to her after, instead of him being forced to walk to her house from wherever his heist was, while very clearly still bleeding and in pain. And the one time he got a scratch from Snake during the Red Tear hardly counts in comparison to his early problems.))

(2/2) I’ve written things where I made it a phobia of water/drowning instead of fish, bcz Toichi died attempting an escape ala Houdini’s water torture cell, Black Org spiked the water with a prototype APTX4869. End result is the world remembers Toichi as an over-achiever who failed, and kaito’s self confidence is shattered by the fear his dad wasn’t as great as he thought he was…Until he found out it wasn’t Toichi’s fault that he died, and that changes everything for Kaito.

Ah, I probably should have just waited a bit longer, then. ^^;

A lot would probably make more sense to entirely change if the tone were never allowed to get silly like in the beginning. I personally don’t like to change the story much, but I do pass off the gag to serious as time passing for Kaito. His pervy and jerkish behaviour died down later as well, so I always take it as half a year or more passing since he started going out at night as Kid. It actually wouldn’t be that hard to pass off in an actual anime, the manga itself has him taking a break for three months because he had tests and a cold to deal with, and that was just between two of his heists. (Of course, when Hakuba came in, they also said he’d done three heists in a row before the one the chapter focused on. His schedule as Kid is pretty lax, so long as everything is set before Pandora. After Pandora, both of those would be problems with how much danger he could possibly get in at any heist.)

There doesn’t need to be many plot changes to account for everything, really, just the anime really shouldn’t have sped up the plot process. Even if it’s for gag comedy purposes, the early Kid chapters were him taking up the costume with no idea of what he’s doing. He only has the vague knowledge that his dad was killed for being Kid, so having Kid come back might bring them out. There wasn’t any plan before that, so the random shenanigans that happened make sense, even in a plot perspective. It’s him getting used to the job, and sometimes using it outside of purely stealing and dodging police. Yeah, from a anime perspective it might be risky, depending on what people expect from the series, or the possibility of it not drawing interest without the central plot, but from a plot perspective, it’s really not a problem.

I don’t know, I feel like it’d work perfectly fine for an anime as is, if it were updated slightly to match the times. Like they adapted the most unneeded chapter, Ghost Game, in the newest anime as the first half of Akako’s second major appearance. It was a silly, generic, ‘check out the rumours of ghosts in the school after closing but it turns out to be nothing’ high school chapter, but they still kept it over the other more interesting chapter that actually had more material to work with.

Hakuba’s whole deal with being brought against Kid was because his father thinks his head is getting too big from all the cases he did solve. He wasn’t brought to help because they needed him, he was brought over because his father wanted him to get brought down, and Kid gives the police trouble, so if Hakuba did catch him, good, if he doesn’t, well, lesson is being taught, then. He’s supposed to be arrogant, until he has to plan more on how to deal with Kid. Kaito needed to up his skills as more and more trouble for him started coming up, and it makes perfectly decent character development for everyone in the series. (Except Aoko, because with her, it’s more like we see more about her, but she hasn’t changed at all compared to the rest of the main cast.)

…So it’s mostly that fish phobia that’s strange and never explained, never used for any real reason, the rest of the story isn’t too bad. …Except the org looking for Pandora never checking on the Kuroba house, that really doesn’t make sense when they knew the original was Toichi. At the very least, ask people around the family for information that might lead them to who Kid might be.

Re: “Things just for laughs” in MK. Trust me as a long-time DCMK fan I know your pain! I just take everything about MK with a grain of salt, and remember at all times that Gosho obviously prefers his current style (serious Detective Conan) over his cartoony, gag-based style that he used when he first wrote Magic Kaitou. Personally I’ve always completely ignored the fish thing because of how little impact it’s ever had on the actual narrative lmao. (1/2)

(Since it says ½, I was waiting a while to see if anything else was sent, but since this doesn’t seem entirely left off, hope you don’t mind if I reply to it now.)

As someone who writes Kaito, I unfortunately can’t forget that little quirk of his… Too distinct of a detail to push out of mind. I mean, it would have an impact if Gosho ever decided to actually bring it out. It doesn’t have to be used for a gag, that sort of problem could make for an interesting heist or any situation where he has to push that discomfort aside so he can do whatever is needed at the time. Really… originally, Kaito didn’t want to step foot in the ocean until his life was at stake, then Kid’s first appearance in DC he has to hop off a boat to not get caught, and all that’s mentioned then is that he caught a cold afterward.

And it really is too bad the gag-based parts are pretty much gone. I’d be willing to bet that it’s because of the shift in style and tone that earlier manga chapters are still glossed over when it comes to adaptations. Keep the ones that an be fun and comedic, but still in line with the more dramatic and serious tone of the plot. ~~Robot, pirate, prime minister being ‘kidnapped’ might have other issues in putting it on TV, but still…~~ Both adaptations decided to get to the org quicker than the manga did, and I do feel like it’s because they feel the plot was needed to keep interest in the series, instead of the more episodic adventures of a teenage kaitou in general.