Gosho didn’t just say so in a Q&A, he included it in his additional comments in the 2011 MK volumes re-release. He wrote for the Akako chapter in Vol. 1: “Well, you’ll just have to accept these two works as parallel world.” Not much room for interpretation there I think, no matter how you like or dislike the fact.
It’s still largely retconning. Or maybe not quite that, but covering himself when he realized it might not have been the smartest idea to mix an actual magic world with the one that’s supposed to be logic. Fans have been around long before he decided this clarification needed to be brought up, and while he might want to stick to that idea now, it doesn’t change how people want to think about the two series. If he’d stuck with just the one initial cameo for Kid, that might be allowed to slide, but covering his tracks after the DC crossover had been going on during multiple encounters, it feels like ‘oh, people are starting to go back and read Kaito’s manga, which has actual magic that can’t be in Conan’s story because magic can’t exist for a detective, let me just get a disclaimer out of the way.’
Either way, Gosho did not give the best way to handle it, because some fans just wouldn’t know or care to see if the universes are connected. I do try and look things up (though I wasn’t aware he said it in comments in a re-issue, scans and the manga I have are the older version), but most people would just read one, and then look at the other because it’s about a character that appeared in the series they read and it’s by the same author. The fact that Kid does appear so much in DC makes it unsurprising the majority of people think they’re in the same universe.
He’s done brief cameos between series before before. Between Magic Kaito, Yaiba, 3rd Base Fourth, the short stories, small things that would just bring a smile because of the reference. No explanation. He wouldn’t have to be trying to use the excuse of ‘parallel universe’ at all if it weren’t a bigger problem than any of those others.
I RP and write them being in the same universe for character interaction because we know the most about how things work in their respective stories. I’d be fine with the idea of parallel universes if there was any real indication that it was the intent, and not just some excuse used to bandage liking Kaito too much that he wove him into Conan’s story more than just a small appearance. What would Kid be looking for? Still a stone with a story that would have to be fake about immortality just because his baddies believe it might work? What would Akako be like if she weren’t a witch? Or is the idea for a ‘non magic’ world that she just wouldn’t exist? Did any of the other silly things in MK happen?
It’s a fun idea, but I can’t accept the word of Gosho when it reeks of an excuse and isn’t actually utilized except to give Kaito an excuse to be in Conan’s world.
I feel like they could exist in the same universe, if magic is kept lowkey, but word of Gosho is apparently that the world in Magic Kaito and the one for Detective Conan are supposed to be parallel worlds, and that the Kid you see in DC technically isn’t the one from MK.
…Which I find most of what Gosho says during Q&As to be full of a ton of BS, so it’s still technically up for interpretation. He can’t actually keep his stories straight and I feel like he just makes things up when he needs a safe response. Kid is still clearly looking for something specific, and while it might not be an immortality granting stone, there’s… zero indication of what else it might be.
Magic in the DC universe would explain more than just the charms and premonitions, though. Haibara’s ‘BO sense’ is too convenient to brush off as normal, Conan has a similar ‘Kid sense’, and then there’s an apparent telepathic connection characters have that lets them know when something’s wrong with someone they care about. (See: Shinichi and Ran in general, Shinichi and Heiji like when Heiji was shoved off a ship into the ocean. It happens in canon, but the movies especially are bad about it.)
Not to mention that Gosho had a literal psychic tell Conan a big secret would be found out during the Holmes Freak murder case, and sure enough Heiji learned the truth.
Early DC did have a more fun, silly feel that a lot of older Gosho works had, even if it was in a more serious genre. A lot of the instances of things that can’t be explained have died down as the series goes on, which could be why there’s more of a push for a separation of magic from the logic. But people aren’t actually capable of separating the two in their mind, they just want to get rid of all the magic entirely, which is what annoys me. No hate on Magic Kaito for having magic. The MK fans don’t go hating on Detective Conan for not showing magic, they know Akako would probably break the DC world, so it’s just. Disheartening. When the opinion comes up that MK is at fault and ruining the DC experience because of the possibility of magic comes up.
Besides, the whole ‘took something that was supposed to be a poison but it changed me into a kid’ idea borders on the disbelieving side anyway, and yet it’s accepted without much fuss. Yes, it has some form of explanation later, but you had to have already invested time into accepting it without putting the series aside by the time you get that explanation. Magic shouldn’t be an experience killer compared to the very first time you read the series.
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Fun fact:
In the manga, Kaito knowingly walked into a seafood restaurant, and is fine with eating lobster. Don’t be surprised by the girl eating fish in a seafood place, Kaito, really…
The specials kept the sign.
But it looks like they gave Kaito steak or such instead. Possibly to separate Kaito from eating things from the water.
The anime entirely omitted the fact it’s a seafood restaurant, and I have noidea what they decided to have Kaito order. They also downgraded the sides and drink quality, which makes me think they opted to make it a more casual place to eat. …And they decided to put roses on the table, interesting, especially when they make Kaito’s and Aoko’s yellow. Leads to interpretations more than if they’d had all the roses red.
(I made a small post about people’s habit of having Kaito encounter others, like detectives and/or a Snake up on the roof. Well, I finally got around to making a more picture evidenced post about how that compares to what Kaito does in canon to escape.)
Not Kaito, but a small reminder that both Kid!Jii and Kid!Toichi broke through windows on the heists we see them do. Jii went to the roof and Kaito had to meet him there to confront him,
Kaito himself just poofed away, so we don’t really know how he left. Not by glider, though, easy at that would be to notice. (And he really doesn’t use it for the first time until later, the only reason I mention that is because this whole situation did technically take place on the roof, even if it was Jii’s escape route and not Kaito’s.)
This is a dummy, but still a perfectly valid escape route Kaito could have tried. If he hadn’t been smart enough not to use that with the gun happy detective…
And in this instance he used one of his more common routes of disguising as someone and walking out the door. Which when used later works almost every time, Kaito had planned to be suspected here to give Nakamori a chance to look good.
Jumped out the window and ran.
The second attempt at the Angel Crown we never see exactly how he leaves, but assume he simply ran off again since that’s what he’s doing when he ditches the mask. I doubt the police got themselves together quickly enough to catch up to him, when their distraction and Nakamori’s anger stalled them enough to give Kaito a head start down whatever route he planned to take.
Poofed and ran away (or walked, he wasn’t in the best of condition and the police were a little too shocked to follow). ((…Though I feel like Hakuba would be asking what on earth they were doing, with evidence they could have used right there. Eh, side note.))
I just like this because he actually broke into the building through the window…
And then broke another one leaving. Where the heck were these helicopters before, Kaito should have seen them coming down…
Anyway, then he used the scooter coming down.
And here we have the first instance of Kaito picking the roof to escape.
And technically the first use of the glider, even if it wasn’t his original plan. First option was to ride a cord to the tower, the glider only came out because of Akako’s interference. And even then only for a few moments to get both of them to the next building. Afterward he poofed again, and who knows what that means for how he leaves, so…
This is technically Jii doing the escaping out the skylight, but eh. Kaito walked out on his own because he could.
Poofed away again. I’m going to start assuming this means he left a distraction to walk away without being noticed. Going partially based on what was said in the Teleportation heist, that all he has to do in order to not be noticed is swap his white for black to slip away. (Even if his poofing thus far has much less smoke cover…)
With Hakuba, he’d been planning to leave using the balloon.
It wasn’t until that plan was literally cut off that he resorted to using his glider. And it’s still out of a window.
Another balloon, but he brought this one with him.
Window crash and a balloon.
Not related to how he escapes, but really Kaito. Maybe this is why he doesn’t need to use his glider, he can easily jump from building to building. :V
This was a goofy chapter, but I guess you could say he did use his glider from the roof in this. Of a wall. Not the image most think of, and it’s not a skyscraper or anything, but it counts.
Out the window, but the dummy got the balloon, he just walked off and got a mysterious phone call.
Blue Birthday is the first and technically only time the after-the-heist scene matches what people might write. On the roof, glider set, then has a confrontation with Snake. Who knows how he survived falling from the building here, since it was never explained in the manga.
Poofed later.
Officially he walked off the train as Kuroba Kaito, but the dummy took a balloon exit.
Look, even the fake hops out a random window to glide. Shame on you, fake, you wouldn’t have had a person fall on top of you if you’d gone with a balloon instead of going in circles with the glider. (Granted, his whole job was to hold police attention while Snake did his thing inside, and he was expecting it to be done quickly and have some sort of signal when he could stop, but still.)
And Kaito walked out the building after that.
He had a more unique escape with Shinichi, because the circumstances allowed him to do this. Straight up jump off the clock tower and land to mix in with the crowd.
Clearly used his glider from this random heists we don’t get to see. Who knows where he umped, but his track record is saying it’d be from the window. Possibly from that building we see on the right. Naka was on the ground with the floodlights, though, isn’t he normally always right where the item Kid’s trying to steal is kept? Or did he plan ahead of time that he wanted to pursue by police car? I don’t think he’d have had time to both try being up wherever Kid stole the dagger and make his way down to hop in a car to catch up with Kaito on the glider.
Made a window for him to jump out of and use his glider here.
He clearly had to run during the heist he was forced to accept help from Nightmare. While he knows he can’t use his glider, that doesn’t necessarily means it was his first option. (Likely would have been, though, since at this point his balloon days are behind him, he’s never used one himself since the Blue Birthday. And there are probably good reasons for that… Not least of which due to the police picking up new measures to keep Kaito from using his normal escape means, as we’ll see later. However, people after his life, who like using guns, is good incentive to switch from an easy to pop balloon to an easier to maneuver glider…)
And even if it’s half Nightmare’s plan, more likely he did go to the roof of the heist building in order to glide to this rendezvous point. The escaping the building part was on Kid, from what I got, so it counts.
Here’s the police action stepping up. Kaito can disguise as Aoko to slip through because she’s known to the police and no one wants trouble from Nakamori, but everyone else in the building is kept from being let out until they’re searched. And Kaito says he’s using Aoko’s face again, and while it could be a reference to the time he did it during the Angel Crown heist, Goudzu mentions it’s the fifth time. Kaito’s had to use her face often, even if we don’t know how necessary it was. Good organization and planning going on, even if Kaito continues to get around it. Both sides are adjusting and narrowing how they respond and act. (This might also have to do with Kid’s growing fanbase. Normally they’re kept out of the building, but I’m sure there are times the police can’t shut down the entire place. All those fans would get in and a crowd would be easy to mix in with.)
Pffft. Well… it’s unique again, because he has to take the car with him when Aoko’s handcuffed to it. And that handcuff causes a lot of panic before he can safely use the glider. Or if we put it simply, it’s another jump out the window and glide, now with Aoko and a small car. V:
Walked out during this one. (And better Kid proofing here, since they kept the jewel completely safe and successfully drove the thief off based on police planning alone. Too bad the main idea for it came from an outside source who knows the workings of magicians.)
Final escape from MK uses the glider from who knows where, but they’d have had the opportunity to leave from the roof if someone wants to interpret it that way.
…But we’re not done yet. Apologies for the length, but I do like to be thorough.
First appearance in Detective Conan, they meet on the roof, and he shows he has a glider…
But he disguised and mixed in with the police instead.
He did plan on gliding off of the ship later, but ultimately had to swim because Conan found him sooner than he’d have liked and got the police searching. If he hadn’t, he probably would have left the room with the others, then slipped away to leave and let them find Ran on their own.
Gliding from the window.
Jumped out of a helicopter to save the person who’d only jumped to help him escape. Otherwise might have thought his disguise had been good enough to fool Hakuba and Conan.
Escape the first night during the Midair Walk was fly/walk away by helicopter.
Second night and actual attempt at stealing the jewel he disguised as Jirokichi and tried to escape by motorcycle.
Not a heist, but after the mansion flooded and Conan found him out, he flew away from the roof using his glider.
Would have gone out the window…
If Conan hadn’t hit him with the soccer ball. So I assume he walked away.
Jirokichi specifically tried to stop him from using his glider (and would check people who tried to leave), so Kaito gets around him and flies off laughing. Until a ball whizzes by his face, that kills the humour or the situation.
Used it again the second night, now with a passenger.
This I noticed in the original post I made commenting on the ‘rooftop meeting and glide away’ observation post. Because the anime had this scene take place outside, with Kid taking off from the roof, here the room happened to have a window he could escape from, so he did. Even the anime seems to think going all the way up to stand on a rooftop looks cooler than the more practical and faster getaway of stepping out the nearest window.
Window.
(Go back to the magic lover’s case for the last echo of the word, the last escapes don’t want to cooperate with me.)
Disguise and run away. (Except with the pain of a not stuck to his back…)
Disguise and walk out the door.
Glide away from the exploding train car, when his original intent had been to stay in disguise and only look over the train before a heist later, by all rights he shouldn’t have had to use this.
Out the skylight and glide off the roof.
So, most of his escape routes on his own vary, but on the whole, going up to the rooftop, especially from the taller buildings, is rarely used. His glider saw more and more appearances later in his career, especially when real danger came to light, and aside from that first confrontation, he never had many rooftop chats and conversations. Those happen wherever he happens to be that police aren’t, and Kaito takes the safest and simplest ways of escaping. He only really used his glider when he had to, in the beginning it was more of a last resort method of getting away, but its use became more and more necessary.
However, he honestly has no reason to go to the roof simply to glide away. Doing so does put him at more risk, it becomes predictable if he does it too often, and if he plans on not being ambushed by guns, jumping out the nearest window really is the better option. If Snake is around and trying to get him, he could be nearby, but he can’t attack unless he wanted to draw attention to himself. Every meeting with Snake has been when the police wouldn’t be around, so stupid as the guy seems, he’s at least smart enough to not draw the eyes of detectives around Kid.
So why do I think people, including myself, jump to rooftop meetings? …Because it’s a nice scene. Usually private and some excuse is made for why the police won’t bust down the door. Great for drama. DC movie 8 didn’t help with the first scene making it look awesome. Movie 19 helps less now. And then I blame DC for the rest, because…
They put a whole heist centered around Kid using his glider, which is funny since that wasn’t his most common method until after this, publicly. Yes, he had the glider, but it wasn’t until Kid showed up in DC that it got constant use. This especially hit people over the head with associating Kid with the glider, and it admittedly looks cool, puts a feeling of freedom on Kaito, much better than the smart ideas of disguises and less noticeable escapes.
…And really DC is to blame for a lot of ideas about Kid’s character that aren’t quite accurate when you compare it to MK. Most notably the ‘no one gets hurt’ and smaller things that like riddle heist notes and that he uses help more often than not for heists. And then the movies add more to the mix of canon, non-canon, and entirely fanon thoughts…
(Saw the title on the dash and realised I never really thought about the few collabs I’ve done with one of my friends.)
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